if we can put a couple of those states like michigan, wisconsin, put indiana back into play, that's going to make the map a very, very difficult for this white house. >> when it comes to the primary campaign, though, there's been some speculation about how serious you guys are going to compete in iowa. how serious you're going to compete in iowa. >> we're going to play in iowa. the governor will be back there several times campaigning. there will be debates in iowa where we'll be competing in all those debates. this race is -- one thing we've seen, it is a very fluid race and we've seen numbers bouncing around all over the place. we're going to be available and ready to campaign at any state and in order to get the nomination. >> you brought up the general election. i want to play this ad that you guys have out on perry this morning and ask you about it on the other side. here it is. >> who supports governor perry's decision to give in-state tuition to illegal immigrants? >> want to publicly recognize governor perry and the state of texas by having taken that step forward when you decided